The Associate Minister of Communications and Information Technology, Papali’i Niko Lee Hang, is not giving up.
He is demanding that justice be served against public servants whom the Controller and Chief Auditor, Fuimaono Camillo Afele, and a Parliamentary Committee have found to have “defrauded” taxpayers through “collusion” and acts of “corrupt practises.”
According to Papali’i, their actions cost taxpayers millions of tala. They should be held accountable.
The call comes days away from Tuesday’s Parliament session. It is during this session where the Government is expected to respond to the Officers of Parliament Committee (O.P.C) findings on the Controller and Chief Auditor’s 2009 report to Parliament. Papali’i is a member of O.P.C. He is also the Chairman of the Finance and Expenditure Committee (F.E.C).
“I really want to bring these people to account and be brought to justice,” Papali’i tells the Sunday Samoan. “I mean it is millions, we are talking about millions."
“(It is) not $100 for a public servant to go to jail just for defrauding a hundred bucks.”
The matter, since the reports from Chief Auditor and the O.P.C surfaced, has taken too long.
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“So where is the justice?” Papali’i asks. “I don't like that. To me it is not fair, my conscience is not right if they keep on doing that. So I have to fight for that.”
The Individual Voters’ Member said the collusion to defraud public funds started when the former Finance Minister, Faumuina Tiatia
Liuga, took over the Samoa Land Corporation Portfolio.
“Well that is proven in our investigation and we have evidence,” he said. “We are still waiting for the government’s reply to our recommendations.”
“If they fail to accommodate our (recommendations) then we will go one more step.”
While he did not say what that step was, Papali’i has in the past said that if the Government does not adopt the F.E.C’s recommendations, they will take the matter to Court.
Papali’i did say though, that his Committee made a recommendation against those accused of collusion and defrauding public monies.
“Well I don’t know, we only recommended to take them to court give the evidence,” he said. “That is why we never recommended to give it to a Commission of Inquiry, because we know, we have got the evidence. There is nothing to be investigated, we have enough evidence to prove that they concluded to defraud public funds.”
“So from that evidence then you can look at the general picture of the damage done and it is how they operated.”
During the interview Papali’i also responded to comments made in the media by the S.L.C C.E.O., Afoa Arasi Tiotio, where she claimed that she had a clean conscience.
“I don’t like what she is saying that she has a clean conscience and she reckons that the word corrupt I use is much too harsh for her,” he said. “(But) what else but corrupt?”
He then spoke directly of the evidence the F.E.C. had collected “that is corrupt and it is daytime corruption.”
“They know what they were doing yet they did it knowing very well it was not right. That is the worse corrupt offence that anyone can do is to know that it is wrong and still do it.”
“She signed an insurance policy knowing very well it is not valid.”
Papali’i also claimed that selling land “at a price that is not competitive to what public has been buying it for is “corrupt.”
For these reasons, Papali’i again emphasised Afoa must leave her post at the S.L.C. now.
“She has to be terminated – what else is there to be proven?” he asked. “The parliamentary committee has proven the Auditors’ findings so what needs to be proven again.”
“She has done enough damage, so sack her.”
Another point Papali’i raised, both in Parliament and again in the interview in regards to this matter, was about the fairness of punishment that is handed out to public servants.
“Once they are implicated in corrupt practices they should be suspended,” he said. “And then give them a chance to defend whether they are right or wrong and when the allegations are proven correct then they should be terminated.”
An example he used to illustrate his point was the suspension process of Police Commissioner, Lilomaiava Fou Taioalo.
“It is over a year now he has been getting full pay, he has been getting use of the vehicle,” Papali’i said. “And then if he doesn't prove himself innocent then all this money is lost down the drain for nothing.
“He never did anything worthwhile for the Police Force when he was suspended.”
He said he then related this suspension to Afoa’s situation and asked the government: “Why don't you be consistent in doing these things?
“She has been implicated in a lot of corrupt things proven from the Auditor’s report and proven by the Parliamentary Select Committee. And yet nothing is done. Where is the fairness?”
Papali’i said Prime Minister Tuilaepa Sa’ilele Malielegaoi did respond to this query, saying the Government have policies in place to deal such matters.
“Well if these are the policies, then I think they are the wrong policies you need to change them,” he said. “It is not right.”
“She has done enough damage, so sack her.”
Another point Papali’i raised, both in Parliament and again in the interview in regards to this matter, was about the fairness of punishment that is handed out to public servants.
“Once they are implicated in corrupt practices they should be suspended,” he said. “And then give them a chance to defend whether they are right or wrong and when the allegations are proven correct then they should be terminated.”
An example he used to illustrate his point was the suspension process of Police Commissioner, Lilomaiava Fou Taioalo.
“It is over a year now he has been getting full pay, he has been getting use of the vehicle,” Papali’i said. “And then if he doesn't prove himself innocent then all this money is lost down the drain for nothing.”
“He never did anything worthwhile for the Police Force when he was suspended.”
He said he then related this suspension to Afoa’s situation and asked the government: “Why don't you be consistent in doing these things?”
“She has been implicated in a lot of corrupt things proven from the Auditor’s report and proven by the Parliamentary Select Committee. And yet nothing is done. Where is the fairness?”
Papali’i said Prime Minister Tuilaepa Sa’ilele Malielegaoi did respond to this query, saying the Government have policies in place to deal with such matters.
“Well if these are the policies, then I think they are the wrong policies you need to change them,” he said. “It is not right.”
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